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	<description>Devoid of all delusions save those of observation, experience and reflection.</description>
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		<title>By: Jurjen S.</title>
		<link>http://reinderdijkhuis.com/wordpress/2008/12/18/proof-by-assertion/comment-page-1/#comment-1108</link>
		<dc:creator>Jurjen S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 01:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, the flaw in the ICR piece is indicated by its use of the word "counterintuitively." For starters, despite the quote marks in the ICR piece, the word (or variations thereof) does not actually appear in the PLoS paper. Secondly, anyone with even a rudimentary grasp of the scientific method would understand that human "intuition" may at best help in formulating hypotheses but doesn't actually serve as evidence, and that any phenomenon, the occurrence of which would be "counterintuitive" but which can be empirically shown to exist, merely reinforces that "intuition" can be utterly wrong, no matter how much "it stands to reason."

The ICR piece also displays a willful misunderstanding of the terms used in the PLoS article, and indeed a refusal to acknowledge what we can observe on any nature documentary and/or by observing neighborhood cats. I volunteer at a wolf sanctuary, and there are plenty of cats in my neighborhood, and I know from observation that both species, when they are simply moving from A to B, &lt;i&gt;walk&lt;/i&gt;. Devoid of context, &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; is their most efficient mode of locomotion. If running were more efficient, these critters would run everywhere. &lt;i&gt;But they don't.&lt;/i&gt; What the PLoS study compares is modes of locomotion while attempting to capture prey, and whether a predator chases its prey or stalks it, the means of locomotion in question is never going to be as efficient--as a means from getting from A to B--as walking, but the point is that the object of any prey-acquiring mode of locomotion &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; more energy-efficient in that its ultimate goal is to acquire more energy (in the form of food) than was expended in capturing it.

It strikes me as plausible that the mode of prey-acquiring locomotion is determined largely by the behavior of the prey. Cheetas and wolves go after ungulates, which arem't going to dive into a burrow to escape but can run for respectable distances, so thre is a point to the predators running them down. Domestic cats, on the otherhands, tend to go after small birds and rodents, which have the means to place themselves beyond the cat's reach quite quickly, so it is ultimately more efficient for the cat to stalk them, because &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; is how the cat stands the best chance of actually catching them. A means of locomotion that uses les energy but doesn't actually result in the predator catching its prey is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; efficient, in that there's no payoff for the energy expended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, the flaw in the ICR piece is indicated by its use of the word &#8220;counterintuitively.&#8221; For starters, despite the quote marks in the ICR piece, the word (or variations thereof) does not actually appear in the PLoS paper. Secondly, anyone with even a rudimentary grasp of the scientific method would understand that human &#8220;intuition&#8221; may at best help in formulating hypotheses but doesn&#8217;t actually serve as evidence, and that any phenomenon, the occurrence of which would be &#8220;counterintuitive&#8221; but which can be empirically shown to exist, merely reinforces that &#8220;intuition&#8221; can be utterly wrong, no matter how much &#8220;it stands to reason.&#8221;</p>
<p>The ICR piece also displays a willful misunderstanding of the terms used in the PLoS article, and indeed a refusal to acknowledge what we can observe on any nature documentary and/or by observing neighborhood cats. I volunteer at a wolf sanctuary, and there are plenty of cats in my neighborhood, and I know from observation that both species, when they are simply moving from A to B, <i>walk</i>. Devoid of context, <i>that</i> is their most efficient mode of locomotion. If running were more efficient, these critters would run everywhere. <i>But they don&#8217;t.</i> What the PLoS study compares is modes of locomotion while attempting to capture prey, and whether a predator chases its prey or stalks it, the means of locomotion in question is never going to be as efficient&#8211;as a means from getting from A to B&#8211;as walking, but the point is that the object of any prey-acquiring mode of locomotion <i>is</i> more energy-efficient in that its ultimate goal is to acquire more energy (in the form of food) than was expended in capturing it.</p>
<p>It strikes me as plausible that the mode of prey-acquiring locomotion is determined largely by the behavior of the prey. Cheetas and wolves go after ungulates, which arem&#8217;t going to dive into a burrow to escape but can run for respectable distances, so thre is a point to the predators running them down. Domestic cats, on the otherhands, tend to go after small birds and rodents, which have the means to place themselves beyond the cat&#8217;s reach quite quickly, so it is ultimately more efficient for the cat to stalk them, because <i>that</i> is how the cat stands the best chance of actually catching them. A means of locomotion that uses les energy but doesn&#8217;t actually result in the predator catching its prey is <i>not</i> efficient, in that there&#8217;s no payoff for the energy expended.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ICR says &lt;i&gt;"this is not counterintuitive to the creation model, within which it makes perfect sense that a Creator would have especially equipped different basic kinds of creatures with such different yet functional modes of locomotion."&lt;/i&gt;  But the ICR also says that God &lt;a href="http://www.icr.org/articles/view/295/309/" rel="nofollow"&gt;originally made&lt;/a&gt; all animals &lt;a href="http://www.icr.org/articles/print/675/" rel="nofollow"&gt;to be vegetarian&lt;/a&gt;. The ICR would have people believe that God made cats as vegetarians who'd be really good at sneeking up on their prey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ICR says <i>&#8220;this is not counterintuitive to the creation model, within which it makes perfect sense that a Creator would have especially equipped different basic kinds of creatures with such different yet functional modes of locomotion.&#8221;</i>  But the ICR also says that God <a href="http://www.icr.org/articles/view/295/309/" rel="nofollow">originally made</a> all animals <a href="http://www.icr.org/articles/print/675/" rel="nofollow">to be vegetarian</a>. The ICR would have people believe that God made cats as vegetarians who&#8217;d be really good at sneeking up on their prey.</p>
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		<title>By: First Skeptics&#8217; Circle, 2009! &#171; Bug Girl&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>First Skeptics&#8217; Circle, 2009! &#171; Bug Girl&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Evolving Mind discusses gravity as a theory, and Waffle discusses creationists&#8217; use of logical fallacies. One Brow discusses some silly things coming out of the Discovery [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Evolving Mind discusses gravity as a theory, and Waffle discusses creationists&#8217; use of logical fallacies. One Brow discusses some silly things coming out of the Discovery [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bug_girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>bug_girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pointing out the errors is important--it's possible that a student might stumble across this very logical explanation of why ICR has it's head up it's butt, and find it useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pointing out the errors is important&#8211;it&#8217;s possible that a student might stumble across this very logical explanation of why ICR has it&#8217;s head up it&#8217;s butt, and find it useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Reinder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Einar wrote it, not me. He forgot to attribute himself in the title - which I've just fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Einar wrote it, not me. He forgot to attribute himself in the title - which I&#8217;ve just fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: Michiel P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michiel P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Reinder, why waste time and energy reading and getting anry about those creationist articles? Doesn't sound very energy efficient to me, and science can't explain it, so there! God made you read their articles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Reinder, why waste time and energy reading and getting anry about those creationist articles? Doesn&#8217;t sound very energy efficient to me, and science can&#8217;t explain it, so there! God made you read their articles!</p>
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